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Page 1 of 3 Excerpts from the Archives of the Narcissism List Part 22
- Narcissists and Sexual Perversions
- I Hate Birthdays
- Hysteroid Disphoria
- Narcissists and Control
- Meaningful to Who?
- Is Narcissism Learned? Can it be Unlearned?
1. Narcissists and Sexual Perversions
Graphic descriptions aside, Narcissism has long been thought to be a form of paraphilia (sexual deviation or perversion). It has been closely associated with incest (research supports this) and paedophilia (which research does not, as yet, support).
I raised the possibility that incest was AUTO-EROTIC and, therefore, narcissistic in: The Offspring of Aeolus On the Incest Taboo
In other words:
When a father makes love to his daughter - he is making love to himself because she IS 50% himself. It is a form of masturbation and reassertion of control over oneself.
Homosexuality is NOT a sexual perversion. I analyzed the relationship between narcissism and homosexuality in FAQ 19.
2. I Hate Birthdays
I hate holidays and birthdays, including my birthday. It is because I hate it when other people are happy if I am not the cause of it. I have to be the prime mover and shaker of EVERYONE's moods. And no one will tell me HOW I should feel. I am my own master.
I feel that their happiness is false, fake, forced. I feel that they are hypocrites, dissimulating joy where there is none. I feel envious, humiliated by my envy, and enraged by my humiliation. I feel that they are the recipients of a gift I will never have: the ability to enjoy life and to feel joy.
And then I do my best to destroy their mood:
I bring bad news. Provoke a fight. Make a disparaging remark. Project a dire future. Sow uncertainty in the relationship.
And when the other person is sour and sad, I feel relieved.
It's back to normal.
My mood improves dramatically and I try to cheer her up.
Now if she does cheer up - it is REAL. It is my doing. I controlled it.
And I controlled HER.
3. Hysteroid Disphoria
XXX: Sam, you're describing here what the empirical-descriptive folks have called "hysteroid dysphoria" (among other things).
Sam: No, I am not. I am describing the narcissist's pattern of reaction to deficient narcissistic supply. A personality disorder is a COMPLEX of hundreds of separate behaviours. Surely, each behaviour pattern taken separately can be labeled out of context. Moreover, the same behaviour pattern can (and often does) occur in a few mental health disorders. For instance, "hysteroid dysphoria" (I am not a fan of this "definition") is also a part of the cyclothimic disorder. But, in the CONTEXT of the narcissistic personality disorder what I describe in FAQ 28 is one of a group of recurrent dysphorias identified as early as 1960. Additionally, do not forget that the Narcissistic PD has finally crystallized as a mental health diagnostic category only in 1980. "Discoveries" from 1969 - preceding Kohut, Kernberg and even early Millon - are absolutely irrelevant in view of today's understanding of narcissism. Below, I outlines the differences based on the text you chose:
XXX: It's atypical depression (a specific subtype of non-melancholic depression) with narcissistic/histrionic/borderline "personality" features. A characterization (from "Atypical Depression" (Quitkin et al) in "Clinical Advances in Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitor Therapies", Kennedy ed.): "In 1969, Klein and Davis described a group of patients referred to as `hysteroid dysphorics.' These patients were characterized by strong desire for attention and applause, positive response to amphetamines, and a marked rejection sensitivity (especially in romantic contexts)"
Sam: Narcissists do not react only to rejection. They react to any input - verbal, nonverbal, social, implied, real or imagined - which is deemed by them to be incommensurate with their inflated self-image.
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