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January 20, 2000 --- 12:23 AM EST

Last night before going to Gooding's I popped over at Holly's to return a video. I hadn't seen her in a month. Anyhow, we ended up talking for 4 hours and it wasn't until midnight that I got to the grocery!

We talked about a whole bunch of stuff. It was one of those "Life, the Universe and Everything" kind of discussions.

She told me about friend problems, male problems, work problems, weight problems, parent problems, all sorts of stuff. I told her about friend problems, work weirdness not exactly a problem, my writing, my new biking hobby, that smell freakout thing, babies, mortgages and marriage.

We laughed, we cried. It was soooo refreshing!

I don't really like to talk much about weight in certain contexts so I was a little on alert when she brought it up.

"Cat, I think I am ready to do this. I quit smoking, that's out of the picture, I'm ready to focus on this weight thing now. I weigh 220 lbs and that's 40 lbs more than my old highest weight. It's weird because I never thought I'd get here. For a while I was tossing between 215 and 220 and it seems to have settled down. I'm not so sure I am happy with it there though."

"Knees?" I asked cautiously. You never know how people are going to react or what they want from you when they bring up weight stuff. Should I sympathize? Be honest? Just listen? Offer suggestions? What do they need me to be?

"Huh?"

"Joint pains in your knees."

"YES! At first I thought it was from standing all day at work but I'm used to that now and I do sleep, so then I started thinking that this knee thing had to be from weight because I wake up in the morning after hours of sleep and I think my feet and knees ought to have rested now and I get up and it's like 'Uunnnnggghhh!' so I've started thinking it must be from weight."

"It is. And it will creep. Next in line is your back, then it's your elbows and finger joints. Stressing joints from carrying so much weight around."

"I know. Forty pounds is like.... a bag of dog food. That's a lot. And that's just back to my old highest weight."

"Mmmm." I grunted. She's a dog person, so I guess a bag of dog food makes sense to her as a mental reference.

"I am afraid that if I let it go any further than that I am going to start feeling really insecure. I am afraid that I am going to end up with more problems I don't need."

"Diabetes," I offered without thinking. Diabetes is a big scary for me, and so's heart disease and breast cancer. Everyone has different scaries in their family medical history.

"Diabetes? What's that all about? And why is that such a thing with large people?"

"You know, like my SIL. Adult onset. Not juvenile. You are at risk for adult onset if you are overweight. When I first started dating Paul she didn't have it, now she does, and now she has to deal with the morning finger pricking and blood sugar and all that stuff."

"Yuck! That's terrible! I had no idea! I don't want to even go there!"

"Me either."

"And you know what's weird besides that stuff? The health stuff?"

"What?"

"I see people and this is going to sound bad... it's like..." she struggled for words and I realized where she was trying to go.

"Like you've become size hypersensitive? Not that you are trying to compare yourself to others but suddenly you are size hypersensitive to people in their surroundings and how they fit. Not just you and how you fit into that chair there but how other people might fit there."

"Oh, God! YES! Things I never thought about fitting. Dressings rooms, chairs or things."

"Aisles in the store, why some are bigger than others and how you fit in them and your sense of space. Airline seats. I remember airline seats. That was a big one for me. Have you noticed people themselves yet? Not just as objects and how they fit into spaces alone but as themselves, as people?"

"YES! There's this girl at work I just want to feed. And I ask her if she eats and she says she eats a lot but then I eat lunch with her and she has like two bites of food and says she's full. I just want to give her a salad, or half a sandwich, or a slice of pizza and say 'Here! Eat this!'"

"But that's her issues, you can't force anyone to eat."

"I know but it's so not good. I know there will be people who'd think 'Yah, well she's skinnier than you and you're fat so what the hell are you talking about' but it's not a jealousy thing it's just a worry thing. Don't people eat?! I know I'm unhealthy from this end but that's got to be unhealthy from that end! Are we all that unhealthy?"

I nodded.

"Then I see people who are larger than me and I think 'If I am at 2 hundred something and you are so much bigger than me, and I feel this much pain now, my God, how much pain can you be in and how do you stand it?! Do your joints hurt too? What else hurts? Can you tie your shoes?'"

"This is all normal, you are not crazy. You are just suddenly starting to notice things you never thought about before. When I was there I thought the same weird things. I was also hypersensitive to shoes. Notice how they are always slip on shoes for larger people because they are easier to deal with?"

"It's so awful and so sad. That everyone all around is just not healthy. Why aren't human beings healthier? What have we lost? And I come home and I wonder -- what if I can't tie my shoes anymore?"

"Or cross your legs."

"Or cross my legs, " she sighed. "Know what else?"

"What?"

"I feel a lot better about myself here at 220 than I did at 180. Like maybe I needed to gain these pounds to be able to see and realize I'm not so bad. Because people like me. I have friends, I have a job, I don't wonder any more if people really like me."

"Holly, your friends like you for you. Not your shape."

"I know that. But I guess before I was so worried about being liked, about making a good impression I was never really sure if people liked me, the me inside when I was at 180. Maybe it's not such a bad thing to be here."

"Well, if it took gaining another 40 lbs to make you realize you are liked for yourself, and you can like you now, then I don't think it was so horrible a thing."

"Me either. I figure from here forward, as I lose weight if people start getting attracted because I am thinner, it won't matter. It's just like a bonus or something, because I can tell now who likes me for me and I start liking me. It's weird to explain."

"Doesn't sound weird to me at all. It sounds like you got your head and heart working together."

"Yeah... I think so."

I gave her a thumbs up. "Way to go, babe. Because there is no way in hell that you can do anything body wise without your head and heart working together in harmony. People who avoid getting their heads and hearts working right and jump right into the body thing are crazy to me. Because if you are not happy inside..."

"...not matter how thin I become..."

"... you still won't be happy with yourself and then it's like..."

"... what the hell was the point then? All that work and agony for what?"

We grinned at completing the other's sentences and sat there on her couch thinking things.

"You have to work these things out. Don't be surprised if you start thinking about childhood."

"Too late. I keep wondering why I should have felt so ugly as a little girl when no one around me was doing anything. It's not like my parents were abusing me telling me I was ugly or something."

"You probably sensed or felt something as a child you didn't understand in words but could feel in feelings that made you feel ugly. Maybe it was a fight between your parents. Maybe it was somebody dying and the whole family in grief. Who knows? Little kids don't understand things in words until much later. But little kids feel just fine. Don't you remember being little and hearing the adults say something and you'd be confused? Like one of those adult puns and jokes where everyone laughed and you'd be like 'What is so funny?'"

"Yeah. All the time."

"Then maybe it was something that you could feel as a kid, but couldn't understand in words or in significance because you didn't have the life experience to put it into context. For example, maybe it was like one day your parents arguing then you walk into the room and they change the subject because you came in and now Mom is telling Dad to set the table and Mom is dishing up the spaghetti and little girl you sees this and feels tension in the room but doesn't get it because the picture is ordinary. There is Mom at the stove and Dad putting ice in the glasses and this is normal. This is ordinary. This happens every evening at 6 PM. But you feel some ugly tension thing, and since everything looks normal maybe you start to wonder if it's you that's broken, something you did. Maybe you feel ugly things because you are ugly. Kid logic. It's not intentional, maybe it wasn't even a huge fight. Maybe they were having a fight about the checkbook being out of balance. Maybe it wasn't even them but grandma and grandpa. Or your siblings. Or all of them. Just you internalizing ugly feelings you could feel but couldn't express or understand where they came from clearly then because of your age. But eventually you sit there and sort these things out and try to understand them in full adult context and just... go on from there."

She sat there thinking her own private things and then she got really misty and made a connection and we started talking about all that. What it was, how she felt then, how she feels thinking about it now, how she thinks it played into her self-esteem, about how kids think and their perception of things, parenting, family dynamics, all kinds of junk. Then she started laughing.

"Ok, Cat, I am going to ask you something and don't get offended because I really do think you'd make a very understanding parent if you became one, but don't you ever wonder that maybe you are a little too intellectual to become a parent in the first place?"

I started laughing. "Of course I do! Paul and I talk about that one all the time. I know how I am and I know how he is. Think too much about too many things. I guess that's why if I ever have children I need them to be able to see me not just as "Mom", but as me, a whole entity, and that yeah, "Mom" would be a facet of me, but that's not all of who I am."

We talked about other things too -- work and junk. I suppose this whole conversation was about understanding self from all angles -- facets to entity, parts to whole.

"You know, Shawn called me up and told me it's like you hit 25 and you start thinking these things. Then Ney calls me up out of the blue with the same stuff. I'm thinking things. Paul is thinking things. You are thinking things. Everyone is doing it."

"It's true. It's like you get here and think 'Ok, my mid-twenties. Where have I been? What have I done? Where am I going?' and you sit around thinking all this shit and it's depressing."

"Look, Hol, you do whatever you gotta do, think what you have to think, work things out in your head. If you ever need a workout buddy just give me a call. You know I am always game for that. Or if you need an ear to talk. Or a body just to have along on a walk where you don't want conversation but just some other being there. Whatever, just call me up. Just take it slow, and take it easy. Take time. Don't be rushing and don't think you are alone thinking all these wacky things because you are not. Being grown-up is mostly guesswork!"

I'm concerned because I know she's feeling and thinking a lot of things. I am concerned because she's got to find out her own solutions and try them out and fail and flibble around for a while before she finds her groove. I am concerned because I've know her now for a two years and I think she senses this is a big step for her to slowly realize she has looked inside and "Hey! What's in there ain't so bad!" She can like who she is how she is just fine! but she doesn't quite realize how big a step it was -- the esteem, self-worth stuff. I hope she keeps building on it.

She really does sound a lot better about that. She sounds reflective, and contemplative, and she's searching inside for clues.

Trying to find a path to yourself is not a cakewalk. That's that identity crisis during puberty. That horrendous "Who am I?" shit. Then you get to your twenties and it's not so much "Who am I?" but "Can I live with myself? Where am I going now?" You are on the path, just wondering if you are still moving in the right direction. What the hell is happening to your feet? And are you on the right road anyhow? Where's a map? Do they sell those somewhere? Life Maps?

There's a lot of thinking to be doing and a lot of weird feelings. It's like cleaning house from top to bottom in your head and heart, and then doing something about it all. Job vs. Career. Money -- how much is enough? Retirement. Apartment. House. Relationships -- how you've handled them in the past, what you learned, how to find one in the future, or keep it, maintain it, nourish it. Kids or no? Self-worth? How much do you have? How can you get more? Body. Are you healthy? How can you be more of that? If not healthy, why not? Habits. What are good ones. What are bad ones. When was your last dental appointment? Trip to the gyno? Where do you see yourself in 5 years? 10? What the hell are you doing with that college degree now? Where does fun fit in there?

Some of those things won't change quickly, or won't change soon. Some take years to develop, like retirement plans. But then you sit around wanting to change the things you can. Maybe your job. Or losing the roomie and getting an apartment alone. Or cleaning the hallway closet for once. Or maybe it's eating better and taking better care of your body issues.

I think Holly is on that page -- the health/body page. Quitting smoking was a big deal to her and she did it! I'm so proud of her. I guess she feels like the next order of business is this weight thing, and starting to have joint pains is scaring her and she wants to talk about it all.

On my end? How do I feel? I feel really weird. I care about her. I am excited for her that she's starting to build up self-esteem and I don't want her to get all into this body thing and get all crazy because of all the body image traps out there. They erode self-esteem!

I want to rush and tell her all these things about what to expect and warn her about all this gooky, faddy junk and the weird emotional roller coaster and the body image labyrinth and the dredging up of old memories and the pain of dealing with them and all kinds of other things involved with body projects, and then I bite back my tongue.

Sometimes a friend is a friend because they listen more than they speak.

~Astrophe

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