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On Connecting
with nature: An Interview with Mike Cohen

"Nature is the unseen
intelligence that loved us into being."
Elbert Hubbard
Tammie:
How would you describe our relationship to the earth?
Mike:
People's relationship to Planet Earth is like our leg's relationship
to our body. We are ecologically a product and likeness of nature,
sharing "one breath" with all species. In each immediate
moment of our lives exists the unadulterated creation process of the
natural world. It is part of our personal biology, our natural
origins and sensitivities including our faculty to register
sensations, feelings and spirit. We are human and "Human"
has its roots in "humus," a fertile forest soil. This is
not a coincidence, biologically, we are like humus. One teaspoon of
humus consists of water, minerals and hundreds of other
microorganism species: five million bacteria, twenty million fungi,
one million protozoa and two hundred thousand algae, all living
cooperatively in balance. This coincides with our bodies containing
water, minerals and ten times as many cells of non-human
microorganism species as human cells, all living cooperatively in
balance. Over half our body weight consists of the weight of
"foreign" microorganism species in balance with us and
each other. They are vital, inextricable parts of every cell in our
body. Over 115 different species live on our skin alone.
Tammie:
You've observed that our loss of sensory contact with nature creates
and sustains our run away disorders. How is that manifested?
Mike: Our
lives don't make sense and our problems flourish because industrial
society does not teach us to seek, honor and culture nature's
sensory contributions to our lives. We learn instead to conquer
nature, to separate from and deny the time tested love, intelligence
and balance enjoyed by the natural world.
On average, in industrial society we spend
over 95% of our lifetime indoors. Early on, at home and school, we
learn to stay indoors, to become attached and dependent on indoor
fulfillments. We spend 18,000 developmental indoor childhood hours
alone doing schoolwork to become literate. During this same period,
on average, through our literacy and the media, we witness 18,000
murders. Most of us grow up not recognizing that in every outdoor
natural area, like the wild area in a park or backyard, natural life
is not murdering life. It is nurturing it. Throughout the eons,
natural life has been wise enough not to commit murder as we know
it. The natural world has also learned how to nurture and sustain
life and diversity without producing garbage, pollution or
insensitive abusiveness. Nature is an unimaginable intelligence, a
form of love that we inherit but suppress.
As it does with humus, through natural
attractions the natural world constantly flows around and through
us. Researchers find that every 5-7 years every molecule in our body
is replaced, particle by particle, by new molecules attracted in
from the environment and vice-versa. The natural environment
continually becomes us and we become it; we are to nature and
creation as an embryo is to its womb; we are one because we are each
other.
Tammie:
You've written that the natural environment governs itself with a
wisdom that prevents it from producing our unsolvable problems and
with an intelligence that sustains it in balance. How possible is it
for human beings to acquire this wisdom and balance?
Mike: As
natural beings, we genetically inherit the ability to think and feel
with this global intelligence. However, from birth and before, we
envelope our mentality in a process and society bent on conquering
nature. We learn to separate ourselves from our biological, earth
bequeathed wisdom. Our underlying problem is the attitude of
industrial society. It teaches us to think in stories that
emotionally know nature's intelligence as an enemy that exists in
people and natural areas. Deep down we know and fear nature as evil.
For example, we often portray Satan with a tail, claws, scales, fur,
horns, hooves and fangs, seldom in a business suit. To our loss, as
our thinking assaults and conquers nature within and around us, we
deteriorate our lives and all of life, even as we say we should stop
doing that.
Throughout the seasons, I have enjoyably lived
the past 37 years in natural areas, researching and teaching how to
responsibly relate to them. During this period, I have observed that
when people feelingly make thoughtful contact with nature, they
become more sensitive to life. They think, feel and build personal,
social and environmental relationships in more enjoyable, caring and
responsible ways. Their runaway problems subside. This is not a
surprise. It results from the intelligent way nature has
"wired" us and all of life to relate in supportive
balance. For those who are wise enough to desire and teach life in
balance, I have developed a natural systems thinking process. It
consists of unique, nature connected, sensory techniques. They are
activities, materials, courses and distance learning degree programs
that enable anybody to beneficially reconnect with nature and teach
this skill. They enable people to release themselves from their
attachments to the destructive stories of industrial society.
Uniquely, the Process allows youngsters or adults to feelingly tap
into nature's intelligence and think with it. The beauty and
integrity of nature inspires them. Their spiritual relationship with
nature empowers and guides them. They let natural areas nurture
them. The Process has proven to reverse many runaway troubles.
Tammie:
From your perspective, how has our current educational system
affected our relationship to the natural world?
Mike: In a
society hell bent on conquering nature, it is normally taboo to
learn or teach that each of us is born with, and contains, a
multitude of intelligent natural sensitivities that wisely govern
nature and our inner nature. In our society, where can an individual
learn that? Education is a pawn of society. In your school or home,
did they teach you how to use nature's multisensory intelligence?
Even if we learn this fact cognitively, it does not mean we will
actually feel the natural senses we have buried in us. We need to
learn how to rejuvenate them and bring them feelingly back into our
consciousness. Then we can think with them. Without them, we will
continue to lose our joys, sense of wonder and responsibility.
The significant difference between us and
nature is that we think and communicate in words, while nature and
Earth are illiterate. The natural world achieves its perfection
through self-regulating natural sensory interactions, without using
or understanding words. We need to learn how to think with our
natural senses, to have our thinking tap and incorporate nature's
nonverbal ways and wisdom. Then we can verbalize wisely. The
reconnecting with nature process teaches this skill because it
practices it. Once we learn nature reconnecting techniques that root
us in nature's sensory intelligence, we own the activities. We can
use and teach them anywhere. Their use becomes a habit, an improved
way of thinking. As it restores our deadened natural senses, it
provides us with a thoughtful immunity to many of the pitfalls that
ordinarily plague us.
Tammie:
How does connecting with the natural world empower us?
Mike: Have
you ever sat near a roaring brook and felt refreshed, been cheered
by the vibrant song of a thrush or renewed by a sea breeze? Does a
wildflower's fragrance bring you joy, a whale or snow-capped peak
charge your senses? Do you like pets, house plants or heart to heart
talks; to be hugged and honored by others; to live in a supportive
community? You did not take a class to learn to feel these innate
joys. We are born with them. As natural beings, that is how we are
designed to know life and our life. Dramatically, new sensory nature
activities culturally support and reinforce those intelligent,
feelingful natural relationships. In natural areas, backyard to back
country, the activities create thoughtful nature-connected moments.
In these enjoyable non-language instants our natural attraction
senses safely awaken, play and intensify. Additional activities
immediately validate and reinforce each natural sensation as it
comes into consciousness. Still other activities guide us to speak
from these feelings and thereby create nature-connected stories.
These stories become part of our conscious thinking. They are as
real and intelligent as 2 + 2=4. This reconnecting with nature
process connects, fulfills and renews our thinking. It fills us with
the natural world's beauty, wisdom and peace. We naturally feel
rejuvenated, more colorful and thankful and these feelings give us
additional support. They nurture us, they satisfy our deepest
natural wants. As we satisfy them and speak their truth, we remove
the aggravated stress and pain that fuel our disorders. Greed and
disorders dissolve. The process triggers thinking that values
natural sensory relationships with people and places. It empowers us
to create stories that are congruent with nature. It regenerates
natural connections and community within ourselves and with others
and the land. We habitually feel content. We actively, safely form
relationships from this resiliency. We responsibly seek and sustain
our feelings of well being. We learn this by connecting with nature
in natural areas and in each other.
Tammie:
I'm so often aware of how even our language serves to separate us
from the natural world. When we speak of nature, the words we so
commonly use seem to imply that nature is one thing and we are
another. I'm wondering if there's a remedy for that.
Mike: My
remedy is to learn how to bring nature's sensory ways feelingly into
consciousness and then think and speak from them. As I've described,
this enables people to sensibly articulate from tangible sensory
connections that, at will, plug them directly into local and global
unity. The Process provides sensory connections, not just
information. By using it, the source of how and what we say comes
from nature within us in connection with the natural environment.
That produces the unity you wonder about. Mind you, now that I have
said this and people have read it, does not mean that other folks,
or even yourself, are going to learn to use the process, even though
it is readily available and makes perfect sense. If you are typical,
you know about the activity process but you have not involved
yourself in it. You see, information seldom changes the way we think
or act. It does not release the psychological bonds that have us
marching to our nature conquering drum. Today, less than .000022% of
our conscious lives are spent thinking in tune with nature, that's
less than 12 hours per lifetime. It's like putting a drop of ink in
a swimming pool and expecting to notice a change in the color of the
water. We are psychologically addicted to sustaining our polluted
intellectual sea. We fear placing nature's "mental purification
tablets" into it. We have been taught to think they will remove
the gratifications we now depend on without replacing them with
something better, however the opposite is true.
I have demonstrated that our psychological
disconnectedness from nature underlies our runaway disorders and,
for this reason psychologically reconnecting with nature reverses
these disorders. I have shown that a relatively simple natural
systems thinking process makes reconnecting a readily accessible and
usable reality. However, just showing this will not produce unity.
Our thinking is so prejudiced against nature that this information
is about as useful as telling members of the KKK that they should
invite Afro-Americans into their organization. We don't have the
power to help them do that. Engaging in nature's sensory attraction
process could do it. That process recycles our ununified thinking by
safely replacing our destructive bonds with Earth's natural
attractions in places and people. After all, no matter the
incredible differences between the members of the plant, animal and
mineral kingdom, nature unifies them so that nothing is left out,
everything belongs. Waste like garbage and pollution is not found in
unadulterated natural systems. The state of the world shows that our
thinking is polluted. If nothing else, history and common sense show
that polluted thinking can not unpollute itself. We need to use a
purifier that works. Nature purifies.
Tammie:
When you think about the future of this planet, what concerns you
the most and what inspires hope?
Mike: No
offense, but those are just more of the trick questions you and I
have been taught to engage in and thereby, once again, avoid
involvement in the process that answers them. Neither nature nor I
think about the future of the planet; spirit, peace or hope, or most
of the other topics that preoccupy us. What I've learned from nature
is to engage in and teach a process that moment by moment produces a
healthier future, a process that IS spirit, peace and hope. I have
lived the latter half of my life in that process. During the earlier
half I was rewarded to think about these questions. In comparing the
two halves, I realize that in just thinking and talking about our
disorders we trick ourselves into wasting time in arguments and
mental amusements that change very little. Nature produces the
perfection we seek by practicing the process that produces it. For
those looking for a brighter future and hope, I suggest they do
likewise. Our troubles exist because the process that resolves them
has been a missing link in the way we think. That process is no
longer an unknown.

Ecopsychologist, Mike Cohen is an outdoor
educator, counselor, author, and traditional folk singer, musician
and dancer. He utilizes his background in science, education, and
counseling as well as his musical
expertise "to catalyze responsible, enjoyable relationships
with nature in people and places." He has one several awards
including the Distinguished World Citizen Award from the University
of Global Education. You can become involved his online articles,
courses and degree programs at his Project
Nature Connect website, or you can contact him at: nature@pacificrim.net.
The following are comments from those who have
engaged in some of Dr. Cohen's sensory ecology activities:
1. Uncontrolled
consumerism/materialism:
"As I continued the special forest activity, I found myself
attracted to the various songs of the birds and then gradually to
the various stones and nuts and shells in the path. I would stop in
the path, pick up the stone, admire its beauty and then feel clearly
called to return it to its appropriate place. So often other times I
have felt I needed to put it in my pocket and carry it home. Now,
through the activity, I had a real sense of appreciating each rock,
each shell, each leaf in its place for the time I was there. I felt
suddenly freed from the need to possess something. I had a growing
sense of letting things be and to just be still and glory in the
fullness of the moment. As I allowed myself to connect, appreciate,
thank and move on with so much of what surrounded me, I felt a
letting go into being present. In this transformation, I began to
feel I was part of the scene more, not my other self that needed to
possess. I learned that I do not need to possess something to have
the joy of it."
2. Personal and Global Peace:
"I was never taught to ask permission to relate to
people or the environment, I just take that for granted, as we all
do. However, this activity required my senses to learn how to ask an
attractive tree covered area for its consent for me to walk through
it. The area continued to feel attractive, but something changed. It
was the first time in my life that I totally felt safe. It felt like
Earth's energies were in charge of my life, not me. It gave me a
wonderful feeling of having more power to be myself. I felt in
balance with nature and the people here because I could distinctly
feel their energies consenting to support me. I never experienced
nature and people that way before. It was like a powerful law that
protected not only my life, but all of life. I felt very secure and
nurtured as I walked under those trees and spoke to people. I
learned that when I seek permission from the environment and people,
I psychologically gain energy and unity, I belong."
3. Destructive stress:
"This morning I was battling the remnants of some
depression I had been feeling about my family and life
"stuff". I was doing the attraction activity, looking
around enjoying the day, the breeze, the sun, the beautiful trees
and the sounds of birds chirping. In a flash of good feeling, I
realized that these feelings are what is so good about living on
earth at this time. It was enough, if for no other reason, to be
here, to experience the beauty of this planet. This was a major
breakthrough for me, because I battle the reason for being here
quite a bit in my recovery work. This happened before noon, and it
is now 6 p.m., and I still feel great!!! I wanted to share this
because I am so happy!!! Take care, and thanks for listening to the
great news!!!"
For additional validations of the Natural
Systems Thinking Process please visit: How
Nature Works at the Nature Connect website or A
Survey of Participants.
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